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Wikitags#bengo-23-01-31 16:02:30 + (I've also recently been using logseq. I li … I've also recently been using logseq. I like how it just writes to markdown. I've been wanting to parse that markdown, look for we--known #hashtags and [[wikitags]], and build an rdf dataset. It looks like SBML is kinda like XML, so maybe something similar is possible there. Have you done anything more with logseq since this post in November?e with logseq since this post in November?)
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-14 04:10:29 + (I've got a question that seems appropriate … I've got a question that seems appropriate for this group, if anyone is interested in sticking around in this discord :). So I spend a decent amount of time talking to [[Librarians]] [[Libraries]], and it always strikes me that they are a group of people with a ton of training and experience specifically in synthesis-like work but seem often stymied by their tools, often for lack of resources. I should have asked earlier, are there any other libraries-adjacent people in this chat?Here's a question for whoever is interested: what would you do (what tools, what would your workflow look like) for [[Manual Curation]] of thousands of papers from structured queries across multiple databases, with curation criteria that includea) reasonably specific/computable **minimum standards** (peer-reviewed, word count, etc.) andb) **topic standards** that are a series of keywords, but rely on someone doing manual curation to be able to recognize an intuitive n-depth similarity to the specific keywords-depth similarity to the specific keywords)
Manual Curation#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-14 04:10:29 + (I've got a question that seems appropriate … I've got a question that seems appropriate for this group, if anyone is interested in sticking around in this discord :). So I spend a decent amount of time talking to [[Librarians]] [[Libraries]], and it always strikes me that they are a group of people with a ton of training and experience specifically in synthesis-like work but seem often stymied by their tools, often for lack of resources. I should have asked earlier, are there any other libraries-adjacent people in this chat?Here's a question for whoever is interested: what would you do (what tools, what would your workflow look like) for [[Manual Curation]] of thousands of papers from structured queries across multiple databases, with curation criteria that includea) reasonably specific/computable **minimum standards** (peer-reviewed, word count, etc.) andb) **topic standards** that are a series of keywords, but rely on someone doing manual curation to be able to recognize an intuitive n-depth similarity to the specific keywords-depth similarity to the specific keywords)
Libraries#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-14 04:10:29 + (I've got a question that seems appropriate … I've got a question that seems appropriate for this group, if anyone is interested in sticking around in this discord :). So I spend a decent amount of time talking to [[Librarians]] [[Libraries]], and it always strikes me that they are a group of people with a ton of training and experience specifically in synthesis-like work but seem often stymied by their tools, often for lack of resources. I should have asked earlier, are there any other libraries-adjacent people in this chat?Here's a question for whoever is interested: what would you do (what tools, what would your workflow look like) for [[Manual Curation]] of thousands of papers from structured queries across multiple databases, with curation criteria that includea) reasonably specific/computable **minimum standards** (peer-reviewed, word count, etc.) andb) **topic standards** that are a series of keywords, but rely on someone doing manual curation to be able to recognize an intuitive n-depth similarity to the specific keywords-depth similarity to the specific keywords)
Librarians#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-14 04:10:29 + (I've got a question that seems appropriate … I've got a question that seems appropriate for this group, if anyone is interested in sticking around in this discord :). So I spend a decent amount of time talking to [[Librarians]] [[Libraries]], and it always strikes me that they are a group of people with a ton of training and experience specifically in synthesis-like work but seem often stymied by their tools, often for lack of resources. I should have asked earlier, are there any other libraries-adjacent people in this chat?Here's a question for whoever is interested: what would you do (what tools, what would your workflow look like) for [[Manual Curation]] of thousands of papers from structured queries across multiple databases, with curation criteria that includea) reasonably specific/computable **minimum standards** (peer-reviewed, word count, etc.) andb) **topic standards** that are a series of keywords, but rely on someone doing manual curation to be able to recognize an intuitive n-depth similarity to the specific keywords-depth similarity to the specific keywords)
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-12 18:36:37 + (Info on using [[Page Schemas]] … Info on using [[Page Schemas]]:So you could only need to make schemas for the different types of nodes that you'd want, so if i'm reading right then yes you would have several hundred pages but only 4-5 schemas. A schema is defined (using page schemas) from a Category PageA page is only ever loosely connected to a schema (rather than strictly, ie. can only have/requires the schema's fields) through its categres the schema's fields) through its categ)
Page Schemas#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-12 18:36:37 + (Info on using [[Page Schemas]] … Info on using [[Page Schemas]]:So you could only need to make schemas for the different types of nodes that you'd want, so if i'm reading right then yes you would have several hundred pages but only 4-5 schemas. A schema is defined (using page schemas) from a Category PageA page is only ever loosely connected to a schema (rather than strictly, ie. can only have/requires the schema's fields) through its categres the schema's fields) through its categ)
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-12 18:39:00 + (Info on using [[Page Schemas]] … Info on using [[Page Schemas]]:So you could only need to make schemas for the different types of nodes that you'd want, so if i'm reading right then yes you would have several hundred pages but only 4-5 schemas. A schema is defined (using page schemas) from a Category PageA page is only ever loosely connected to a schema (rather than strictly, ie. can only have/requires the schema's fields) through its category. Page schemas then generates a template for the category. Typically templates will add a page to a category anyway ([ [Category:CategoryName] ]). So a page can have multiple schemas - that would just look like using multiple templates on the same page.using multiple templates on the same page.)
Page Schemas#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-12 18:39:00 + (Info on using [[Page Schemas]] … Info on using [[Page Schemas]]:So you could only need to make schemas for the different types of nodes that you'd want, so if i'm reading right then yes you would have several hundred pages but only 4-5 schemas. A schema is defined (using page schemas) from a Category PageA page is only ever loosely connected to a schema (rather than strictly, ie. can only have/requires the schema's fields) through its category. Page schemas then generates a template for the category. Typically templates will add a page to a category anyway ([ [Category:CategoryName] ]). So a page can have multiple schemas - that would just look like using multiple templates on the same page.using multiple templates on the same page.)
Discord Messages#Konrad Hinsen-22-11-13 10:25:58 + (Just added a "proposal" tag to our discussion. In scientific discourse, that would be a category used in opinion papers etc. Is this already part of the [[Discourse Graph]] repertory?)
Discourse Graph#Konrad Hinsen-22-11-13 10:25:58 + (Just added a "proposal" tag to our discussion. In scientific discourse, that would be a category used in opinion papers etc. Is this already part of the [[Discourse Graph]] repertory?)
Chemical Markup Language#joelchan86-22-11-02 12:27:51 + (Konrad, are you familiar with [[Chemical Markup Language]] … Konrad, are you familiar with [[Chemical Markup Language]] (CML)? I stumbled across it on Twitter a few weeks ago via discussions about open publishing, and was surprised at the longevity of the project. I don’t love XML, but it seems to have gained some traction in its day, though I am not sure how active it is these days. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Markup_Languageikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Markup_Language)
Discord Messages#joelchan86-22-11-02 12:27:51 + (Konrad, are you familiar with [[Chemical Markup Language]] … Konrad, are you familiar with [[Chemical Markup Language]] (CML)? I stumbled across it on Twitter a few weeks ago via discussions about open publishing, and was surprised at the longevity of the project. I don’t love XML, but it seems to have gained some traction in its day, though I am not sure how active it is these days. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Markup_Languageikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Markup_Language)
Fedwiki#Konrad Hinsen-22-11-10 20:45:36 + (Looking forward to your work in this space … Looking forward to your work in this space! I do know about [[Fedwiki]] but only as a spectator. I tried to convince a few colleagues to set up a network of Fedwikis in our research domain, but nobody was keen on becoming a sysadmin to run their own Wiki instance.a sysadmin to run their own Wiki instance.)
Discord Messages#Konrad Hinsen-22-11-10 20:45:36 + (Looking forward to your work in this space … Looking forward to your work in this space! I do know about [[Fedwiki]] but only as a spectator. I tried to convince a few colleagues to set up a network of Fedwikis in our research domain, but nobody was keen on becoming a sysadmin to run their own Wiki instance.a sysadmin to run their own Wiki instance.)
Synthesis Infrastructures 2022#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-10 21:01:50 + (Maybe [[Synthesis Infrastructures 2022]] or something? but we haven't made one yet no lol)
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-10 21:01:50 + (Maybe [[Synthesis Infrastructures 2022]] or something? but we haven't made one yet no lol)
WikiBot#Konrad Hinsen-22-11-04 16:21:19 + (Nice idea, that [[Wikibot]]! Do I understand correctly that it grabs all messages that contain a page name in double brackets, and adds them to the Wiki page with that name? (this message being as much a test as a question of course))
Discord Messages#Konrad Hinsen-22-11-04 16:21:19 + (Nice idea, that [[Wikibot]]! Do I understand correctly that it grabs all messages that contain a page name in double brackets, and adds them to the Wiki page with that name? (this message being as much a test as a question of course))
Discord Messages#Konrad Hinsen-22-11-13 13:22:21 + (Note that [[Glamorous Toolkit]] … Note that [[Glamorous Toolkit]] is not (yet) a development environment for Python. What is described here is "data science" on a Python codebase. You analyze the code, but you cannot change it. For Pharo Smalltalk, there is excellent code refactoring support in addition to analysis features. support in addition to analysis features.)
Glamorous Toolkit#Konrad Hinsen-22-11-13 13:22:21 + (Note that [[Glamorous Toolkit]] … Note that [[Glamorous Toolkit]] is not (yet) a development environment for Python. What is described here is "data science" on a Python codebase. You analyze the code, but you cannot change it. For Pharo Smalltalk, there is excellent code refactoring support in addition to analysis features. support in addition to analysis features.)
WikiBot#Konrad Hinsen-22-11-13 10:36:54 + (Note to <@305044217393053697> about … Note to <@305044217393053697> about [[Wikibot]]: it doesn't pick up edits on messages that it has already added to the WIki. The version in the Wiki ends up being obsolete. Could be important when someone edits to add "not", for example. Discord users are used to having this possibility.scord users are used to having this possibility.)
Discord Messages#Konrad Hinsen-22-11-13 10:36:54 + (Note to <@305044217393053697> about … Note to <@305044217393053697> about [[Wikibot]]: it doesn't pick up edits on messages that it has already added to the WIki. The version in the Wiki ends up being obsolete. Could be important when someone edits to add "not", for example. Discord users are used to having this possibility.scord users are used to having this possibility.)
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-10-17 01:15:09 + (Now I am going to link a message into a specific section in my [[Test Topic#New Section]] and also see if we propagate that through to the wikilinks in [[Test Project]])
Test Project#sneakers-the-rat-22-10-17 01:15:09 + (Now I am going to link a message into a specific section in my [[Test Topic#New Section]] and also see if we propagate that through to the wikilinks in [[Test Project]])
Test Topic#sneakers-the-rat-22-10-17 01:15:09 + (Now I am going to link a message into a specific section in my [[Test Topic#New Section]] and also see if we propagate that through to the wikilinks in [[Test Project]])

Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-10-17 01:10:41 + (Now hopefully without the uncaught exceptions for [[Test Topic]])
Test Topic#sneakers-the-rat-22-10-17 01:10:41 + (Now hopefully without the uncaught exceptions for [[Test Topic]])

Mastodon#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-12 20:53:17 + (OK we have a testing [[Mastodon#Test Instance]] … OK we have a testing [[Mastodon#Test Instance]] server up and running at https://masto.synthesis-infrastructures.wiki - since I am not going to bother setting up sending emails from the test instance, I need to manually bypass the email verification step for any accounts that are registered. If you want to make an account just for funzies, send me a DM here with the email you used to sign up with and i'll bypass it for you.- this is not secure! at all! I did nothing to secure it! seriously this is just used for testing purposes! When the workshop ends I'll shut it down and archive the toots as static pages!own and archive the toots as static pages!)
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-12 20:53:17 + (OK we have a testing [[Mastodon#Test Instance]] … OK we have a testing [[Mastodon#Test Instance]] server up and running at https://masto.synthesis-infrastructures.wiki - since I am not going to bother setting up sending emails from the test instance, I need to manually bypass the email verification step for any accounts that are registered. If you want to make an account just for funzies, send me a DM here with the email you used to sign up with and i'll bypass it for you.- this is not secure! at all! I did nothing to secure it! seriously this is just used for testing purposes! When the workshop ends I'll shut it down and archive the toots as static pages!own and archive the toots as static pages!)
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-10-17 00:57:56 + (Once again i am talking about my [[Test Topic]] that's a part of my [[Test Project]] and i want to see some links in the reply)
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-10 00:15:39 + (Reminder as the conversations start thicke … Reminder as the conversations start thickening (which has been great to read, looking forward to jumping in more later when I have a few minutes) and thus become a bit harder to keep track of that you should feel free to make liberal use of [[Wikilinks]] in your posts to archive them in the wiki and make them more discoverable by people outside of your table/project. (For example this message will appear here https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Wikilinks ). This would be especially useful because it looks like some folks are interested in doing some <#1038988750677606432> on the wiki!g some <#1038988750677606432> on the wiki!)
Wikilinks#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-10 00:15:39 + (Reminder as the conversations start thicke … Reminder as the conversations start thickening (which has been great to read, looking forward to jumping in more later when I have a few minutes) and thus become a bit harder to keep track of that you should feel free to make liberal use of [[Wikilinks]] in your posts to archive them in the wiki and make them more discoverable by people outside of your table/project. (For example this message will appear here https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Wikilinks ). This would be especially useful because it looks like some folks are interested in doing some <#1038988750677606432> on the wiki!g some <#1038988750677606432> on the wiki!)
Testing Templates#sneakers-the-rat-2022-10-16T22:39:56 + (Test message)
Discord Messages#Konrad Hinsen-22-11-13 08:26:56 + (Thanks <@322545403876868096> ! Added to https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Discourse_Modeling. I guess I could have used [[Wikibot]] for that, but it was easier to do it by hand than figuring out the intricacies of Wikibot.)
WikiBot#Konrad Hinsen-22-11-13 08:26:56 + (Thanks <@322545403876868096> ! Added to https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Discourse_Modeling. I guess I could have used [[Wikibot]] for that, but it was easier to do it by hand than figuring out the intricacies of Wikibot.)
Glamorous Toolkit#petermr-22-11-15 10:57:35 + (Thanks for [[Glamorous Toolkit]] … Thanks for [[Glamorous Toolkit]] . Watched the video and understood most of it. Impressive, and maybe the future, but not quite what I wanted now - it requires a fluency with creating new types of object on the fly and so a change in orientation. I want something that I can tag the methods with (say) 'PDF conversion', 'prototype`, etc. I don't mind dumping that as static docs and navigating with Obsidian. static docs and navigating with Obsidian.)
Discord Messages#petermr-22-11-15 10:57:35 + (Thanks for [[Glamorous Toolkit]] … Thanks for [[Glamorous Toolkit]] . Watched the video and understood most of it. Impressive, and maybe the future, but not quite what I wanted now - it requires a fluency with creating new types of object on the fly and so a change in orientation. I want something that I can tag the methods with (say) 'PDF conversion', 'prototype`, etc. I don't mind dumping that as static docs and navigating with Obsidian. static docs and navigating with Obsidian.)
Digital Scientific Notations#Konrad Hinsen-22-11-11 05:26:42 + (That said, the more abstract idea of defin … That said, the more abstract idea of defining a data model plus execution semantics that any programming language can plug into looks very promising. That aspect of WikiLambda was in fact one of my inspirations for developing [[Digital Scientific Notations]].[[Digital Scientific Notations]].)
Discord Messages#Konrad Hinsen-22-11-11 05:26:42 + (That said, the more abstract idea of defin … That said, the more abstract idea of defining a data model plus execution semantics that any programming language can plug into looks very promising. That aspect of WikiLambda was in fact one of my inspirations for developing [[Digital Scientific Notations]].[[Digital Scientific Notations]].)
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-02 08:17:07 + (Then i just made a page to link to the pages. There's not really a well defined way to do meta-categorization like that in-medium as far as I'm aware, but am happy to receive [[WikiBot#Feature Requests]] about it)
WikiBot#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-02 08:17:07 + (Then i just made a page to link to the pages. There's not really a well defined way to do meta-categorization like that in-medium as far as I'm aware, but am happy to receive [[WikiBot#Feature Requests]] about it)
Notion#joelchan86-22-11-11 14:08:30 + (These tools are still not entirely mainstr … These tools are still not entirely mainstream compared to tools like [[Notion]], which is related to your experience trying to learn more about the tools - so they tend to have a steep learning curve!IMO the best way to get a feel for what they are is to see some examples/videos.I like this video for an overview of [[Logseq]]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtRozP8hfEY&t=6sI describe [[Roam]] and the [[Roam Discourse Graph extension]] in this portion of a talk I recently gave: https://youtu.be/jH-QF7rVSeo?t=1417ntly gave: https://youtu.be/jH-QF7rVSeo?t=1417)
Logseq#joelchan86-22-11-11 14:08:30 + (These tools are still not entirely mainstr … These tools are still not entirely mainstream compared to tools like [[Notion]], which is related to your experience trying to learn more about the tools - so they tend to have a steep learning curve!IMO the best way to get a feel for what they are is to see some examples/videos.I like this video for an overview of [[Logseq]]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtRozP8hfEY&t=6sI describe [[Roam]] and the [[Roam Discourse Graph extension]] in this portion of a talk I recently gave: https://youtu.be/jH-QF7rVSeo?t=1417ntly gave: https://youtu.be/jH-QF7rVSeo?t=1417)
Roam#joelchan86-22-11-11 14:08:30 + (These tools are still not entirely mainstr … These tools are still not entirely mainstream compared to tools like [[Notion]], which is related to your experience trying to learn more about the tools - so they tend to have a steep learning curve!IMO the best way to get a feel for what they are is to see some examples/videos.I like this video for an overview of [[Logseq]]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtRozP8hfEY&t=6sI describe [[Roam]] and the [[Roam Discourse Graph extension]] in this portion of a talk I recently gave: https://youtu.be/jH-QF7rVSeo?t=1417ntly gave: https://youtu.be/jH-QF7rVSeo?t=1417)
Roam Discourse Graph extension#joelchan86-22-11-11 14:08:30 + (These tools are still not entirely mainstr … These tools are still not entirely mainstream compared to tools like [[Notion]], which is related to your experience trying to learn more about the tools - so they tend to have a steep learning curve!IMO the best way to get a feel for what they are is to see some examples/videos.I like this video for an overview of [[Logseq]]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtRozP8hfEY&t=6sI describe [[Roam]] and the [[Roam Discourse Graph extension]] in this portion of a talk I recently gave: https://youtu.be/jH-QF7rVSeo?t=1417ntly gave: https://youtu.be/jH-QF7rVSeo?t=1417)
Discord Messages#joelchan86-22-11-11 14:08:30 + (These tools are still not entirely mainstr … These tools are still not entirely mainstream compared to tools like [[Notion]], which is related to your experience trying to learn more about the tools - so they tend to have a steep learning curve!IMO the best way to get a feel for what they are is to see some examples/videos.I like this video for an overview of [[Logseq]]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtRozP8hfEY&t=6sI describe [[Roam]] and the [[Roam Discourse Graph extension]] in this portion of a talk I recently gave: https://youtu.be/jH-QF7rVSeo?t=1417ntly gave: https://youtu.be/jH-QF7rVSeo?t=1417)
Git-Mediawiki#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-14 23:15:29 + (This project, [[Git-Mediawiki]] looks pretty good: https://github.com/Git-Mediawiki/Git-Mediawiki I'm gonna see if i can get a further translating layer between wiki markup and markdown going, thank god for [[Pandoc]])
Pandoc#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-14 23:15:29 + (This project, [[Git-Mediawiki]] looks pretty good: https://github.com/Git-Mediawiki/Git-Mediawiki I'm gonna see if i can get a further translating layer between wiki markup and markdown going, thank god for [[Pandoc]])
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-14 23:15:29 + (This project, [[Git-Mediawiki]] looks pretty good: https://github.com/Git-Mediawiki/Git-Mediawiki I'm gonna see if i can get a further translating layer between wiki markup and markdown going, thank god for [[Pandoc]])
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-08 23:32:39 + (To add to the [[Reading List#Linked Data]] … To add to the [[Reading List#Linked Data]] on [[Linked Data]], [[Standards]], and [[Collaboration]]: a piece from one of the authors of [[ActivityPub]] on the merger of the distributed messaging and linked data communities that I think puts into context what a massive achievement AP washttp://dustycloud.org/blog/on-standards-divisions-collaboration/blog/on-standards-divisions-collaboration/)
ActivityPub#sneakers-the-rat-22-11-08 23:32:39 + (To add to the [[Reading List#Linked Data]] … To add to the [[Reading List#Linked Data]] on [[Linked Data]], [[Standards]], and [[Collaboration]]: a piece from one of the authors of [[ActivityPub]] on the merger of the distributed messaging and linked data communities that I think puts into context what a massive achievement AP washttp://dustycloud.org/blog/on-standards-divisions-collaboration/blog/on-standards-divisions-collaboration/)