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Because everyone agrees the same approach to interoperability the nodes can develop indeoendently! The management is informal - a mailing list and occasional back channels. So there is a collaborative network - see WP article.
Because everyone agrees the same approach to interoperability the nodes can develop indeoendently! The management is informal - a mailing list and occasional back channels. So there is a collaborative network - see WP article.
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1041061650977009704/1041277888764325938
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1041061650977009704/1041277888764325938
}}{{Message
|Author=petermr
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|Date Sent=22-11-13 09:08:25
|Channel=computable-graphs
|Text=Yes, as a scientist I also made this assumption. For example the [[IPCC report]] is 10,000 pages of scientific discourse. Hmm!
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1038983137222467604/1041278352809537637
}}{{Message
|Author=Konrad Hinsen
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/499904513038090240/343ae17c322fa09b3260f95e58bc4f29.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-13 10:25:58
|Channel=discourse-modeling
|Text=Just added a "proposal" tag to our discussion. In scientific discourse, that would be a category used in opinion papers etc. Is this already part of the [[Discourse Graph]] repertory?
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1038988750677606432/1041297868809584680
}}{{Message
|Author=Konrad Hinsen
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/499904513038090240/343ae17c322fa09b3260f95e58bc4f29.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-13 10:36:54
|Channel=off-topic
|Text=Note to <@305044217393053697> about [[Wikibot]]: it doesn't pick up edits on messages that it has already added to the WIki. The version in the Wiki ends up being obsolete. Could be important when someone edits to add "not", for example. Discord users are used to having this possibility.
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1035691728356790322/1041300620109426699
}}{{Message
|Author=joelchan86
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/322545403876868096/6dd171845a7a4e30603d98ae510c77b8.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-13 13:02:42
|Channel=general-brainstorming
|Text=I think this is probably covered by [[Glamorous Toolkit]] (cc <@499904513038090240> who is a core user)!
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1034992937391632444/1041337312648376430
}}{{Message
|Author=Konrad Hinsen
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/499904513038090240/343ae17c322fa09b3260f95e58bc4f29.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-13 13:07:02
|Channel=general-brainstorming
|Text=Yes, that's a prominent use case for [[Glamorous Toolkit]].
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1034992937391632444/1041338405390401536
}}{{Message
|Author=Konrad Hinsen
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/499904513038090240/343ae17c322fa09b3260f95e58bc4f29.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-13 13:22:21
|Channel=general-brainstorming
|Text=Note that [[Glamorous Toolkit]] is not (yet) a development environment for Python. What is described here is "data science" on a Python codebase. You analyze the code, but you cannot change it. For Pharo Smalltalk, there is excellent code refactoring support in addition to analysis features.
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1034992937391632444/1041342259930603592
}}{{Message
|Author=Flancian
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/708787219992805407/3552e578a664f2e66d7bccad375e589d.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-13 15:09:48
|Channel=front-door
|Text=[[joel chan]] -> [[decentralized discourse graph]]
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1029514961782849610/1041369298817536121
}}{{Message
|Author=Flancian
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/708787219992805407/3552e578a664f2e66d7bccad375e589d.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-13 15:10:56
|Channel=oh ya sorry there s a zoom link in
|Text=thank you! [[meta]] why zoom instead of something like [[jitsi]]
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1041369253011542146/1041369585477226587
}}{{Message
|Author=Flancian
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/708787219992805407/3552e578a664f2e66d7bccad375e589d.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-13 16:06:41
|Channel=front-door
|Text=apologies I didn't make it to [[discourse modeling]]!
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1029514961782849610/1041383613943513098
}}{{Message
|Author=Wutbot
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/709165833888464966/d959819a9a72aa307c6ef1b91d7f94a2.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-13 18:04:14
|Channel=discourse-modeling
|Text=From the Gutenberg city of Mainz, the [[CLAIM]] home of modern intellectual synthesis and dissemination - thank you for your participation! I've enjoyed our discussions and look forward to their continuation!
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1038988750677606432/1041413196940066936
}}
== 22-11-14 ==
{{Message
|Author=sneakers-the-rat
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/305044217393053697/2970b22bd769d0cd0ee1de79be500e85.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-14 04:10:29
|Channel=general
|Text=I've got a question that seems appropriate for this group, if anyone is interested in sticking around in this discord :).
So I spend a decent amount of time talking to [[Librarians]] [[Libraries]], and it always strikes me that they are a group of people with a ton of training and experience specifically in synthesis-like work but seem often stymied by their tools, often for lack of resources. I should have asked earlier, are there any other libraries-adjacent people in this chat?
Here's a question for whoever is interested: what would you do (what tools, what would your workflow look like) for [[Manual Curation]] of thousands of papers from structured queries across multiple databases, with curation criteria that include
a) reasonably specific/computable **minimum standards** (peer-reviewed, word count, etc.) and
b) **topic standards** that are a series of keywords, but rely on someone doing manual curation to be able to recognize an intuitive n-depth similarity to the specific keywords
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1041005559954022471/1041565762546053190
}}{{Message
|Author=sneakers-the-rat
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/305044217393053697/2970b22bd769d0cd0ee1de79be500e85.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-14 04:21:58
|Channel=libraries-and-manual-curation
|Text=encouraging the use of the thread for the sake of people's notifications as we enter slow-mode.
sidebar: this to me is one of the more interesting uses of this kind of wiki-bot, in a more long-lived chat and communication medium (glad 2 have <@708787219992805407> here for the long-timescales perspective btw). in both this and any future workshops, being able to plug in something like a wikibot that can let different threads get tagged to common concepts through time to different/overlapping discord servers and output to potentially multiple overlapping wikis is v interesting to me.
I'm gonna continue to make it easier to deploy because i feel like the [[Garden and Stream]] metaphor is one that can unfold on multiple timescales, and it would be cool to build out the ability to make that easier: how cool would it be if you didn't have to decide on a chat/document medium or have to make a new set at the start of an organizing project since it was arbitrary anyway and your infra supported use and crossposting across many media.
Eg. the very understanding surfacing of [[The Google Docs Problem]] because of [[Mediawiki]]'s lack of [[Synchronous Editing]] [[Live Editing]] and the need to remember to link out to external services rather than that being a natural expectation of a multimodal group and having systems that explicitly support that is illustrative to me. Maybe one description is being able to deploy a [[Context of Interoperability]] [[Interoperability]]: during this time period I am intending these documents/discord servers/hashtags/social media accounts/etc. to be able to crosspost between each other so that everyone needs to to as little as possible to make their workflows align
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1041565762546053190/1041568655948922910
}}{{Message
|Author=sneakers-the-rat
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/305044217393053697/2970b22bd769d0cd0ee1de79be500e85.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-14 04:23:28
|Channel=libraries-and-manual-curation
|Text=Also I am doing another [[Sorry Anagora]] (https://anagora.org/sorry-anagora) by speculating about the overlay syntax in-medium, but the need for repeated wikilinks above there revives my interest in recursive wikilinks that can be used in overlapping terms
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1041565762546053190/1041569029841764373
}}{{Message
|Author=sneakers-the-rat
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/305044217393053697/2970b22bd769d0cd0ee1de79be500e85.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-14 20:37:50
|Channel=general-brainstorming
|Text=in thinking about some of the problems from this weekend like the (affectionately titled) [[The Google Docs Problem]] and various other interface problems with the wiki, where it'll always be easier for people to interact with a system from something they're more used to using, I've been thinking about a more generalized kind of bridging where one can set a [[Context of Interoperability]] where for a given workshop, time period, project, etc. people can plug their tools together and work in a shared space without needing to make all of them anew - so for the simple example of this discord and this wiki, it should be possible to reuse this space to eg. connect to a different (or multiple) wikis, and vice versa to have a different discord connect to it. Along those lines, being able to have a synchronizing eg. git repository of the pages on the wiki so that people could edit them in obsidian or logseq or whatever their tool of choice is... this feels like an incredibly generic idea, so I feel like there must already be a ton of work on it, but it feels like it starts by just making a framework for bridging where the n-to-n problem is simplified by having a set of tools for auth and format translation and modeling documents and messages... I'm going to start sketching one piece of that with the [[Mediawiki-Git Bridge]], but I'm curious to hear if anyone either has any ideas, prior experience, or unmet needs that I might be orbiting around here
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1034992937391632444/1041814238362079242
}}{{Message
|Author=sneakers-the-rat
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/305044217393053697/2970b22bd769d0cd0ee1de79be500e85.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-14 23:15:29
|Channel=bridges
|Text=This project, [[Git-Mediawiki]] looks pretty good: https://github.com/Git-Mediawiki/Git-Mediawiki
I'm gonna see if i can get a further translating layer between wiki markup and markdown going, thank god for [[Pandoc]]
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1041814238362079242/1041853913479000245
}}
== 22-11-15 ==
{{Message
|Author=sneakers-the-rat
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/305044217393053697/2970b22bd769d0cd0ee1de79be500e85.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-15 08:38:56
|Channel=synthbots
|Text=<@743886679554654299> brilliant idea for a [[Local Algorithm]] [[Parametrization]] along the lines of using the [[Medium as Storage]] and parametrization from a conversation I was having just now
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1041519468121161798/1041995710901526608
}}{{Message
|Author=petermr
|Avatar=
|Date Sent=22-11-15 10:44:45
|Channel=semantic-climate
|Text=We have been developing code for extraction of "claims" from IPCC [[executive summary]]s . <@322545403876868096> <@499904513038090240>  So far we have the following design:
* exec summary for chapter => 15-20 paras
* bold leading sentence for each para => leading_claim
* subsequent sentences => supporting_claims
* annotation (high|medium|robust|low) (evidence|agreement|confidence)
I will continue
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1040060354161557574/1042027374377709578
}}{{Message
|Author=petermr
|Avatar=
|Date Sent=22-11-15 10:57:35
|Channel=general-brainstorming
|Text=Thanks for [[Glamorous Toolkit]] . Watched the video and understood most of it. Impressive, and maybe the future, but not quite what I wanted now - it requires a fluency with creating new types of object on the fly and so a change in orientation. I want something that I can tag the methods with (say) 'PDF conversion', 'prototype`, etc. I don't mind dumping that as static docs and navigating with Obsidian.
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1034992937391632444/1042030600359510026
}}
== 22-11-23 ==
{{Message
|Author=Wutbot
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/709165833888464966/d959819a9a72aa307c6ef1b91d7f94a2.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-11-23 18:59:16
|Channel=discourse-modeling
|Text=[[claim]] claims and questions dominate in natural conversation; the imbalance of sources & evidence is quite stark. This aligns with my mental model of *conversational charity*, where we assume our interlocutors *could* ground their statements in evidence if pressed, but skip this step in the interest  of time.
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1038988750677606432/1045050924466458725
}}
== 22-12-20 ==
{{Message
|Author=sneakers-the-rat
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/305044217393053697/2970b22bd769d0cd0ee1de79be500e85.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=22-12-20 10:34:44
|Channel=synthesizing-social-media
|Text=check this out. [[DIY Algorithms]]. instead of adding accounts to lists and autopopulating, you can directly add posts themselves. so then you can rig up whatever the frick algorithm you want to masto:
https://social.coop/@jonny/109545449455062668
https://github.com/sneakers-the-rat/mastodon/tree/feature/postlists
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1038983225348993184/1054708427399626872
}}
== 23-01-31 ==
{{Message
|Author=bengo
|Avatar=https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/602622661125996545/f01c2d17587b5d9b1542dcf40c7c2e33.png?size=1024
|Date Sent=23-01-31 16:02:30
|Channel=computable-graphs
|Text=I've also recently been using logseq. I like how it just writes to markdown. I've been wanting to parse that markdown, look for we--known #hashtags and [[wikitags]], and build an rdf dataset. It looks like SBML is kinda like XML, so maybe something similar is possible there. Have you done anything more with logseq since this post in November?
|Link=https://discord.com/channels/1029514961782849607/1038983137222467604/1070011203939749958
}}
}}
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