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== Section 2 Konrad == | == Section 2 Konrad == | ||
- KM: take contributions to this wiki as data to generate a discourse graph? | * - KM: take contributions to this wiki as data to generate a discourse graph? | ||
- create schema, show others how to create the different node types | * - create schema, show others how to create the different node types | ||
- take db backend, ingest it, execute queries against it | * - take db backend, ingest it, execute queries against it | ||
- viz may not be super-sophisticated, but a view or 2 framed on each node type would be worthwhile: eg how does a question related to claims, how are claims informed by different articles (evidence) | * - viz may not be super-sophisticated, but a view or 2 framed on each node type would be worthwhile: eg how does a question related to claims, how are claims informed by different articles (evidence) | ||
- need to populate the wiki with the elements of a discourse graph --> create viz --> share code | * - need to populate the wiki with the elements of a discourse graph --> create viz --> share code | ||
- SJ: would like to accomplish naming: coming up with names for each of those components, and names for things at differnt scales - discussion, family of hyptheses, family of experiments | * - SJ: would like to accomplish naming: coming up with names for each of those components, and names for things at differnt scales - discussion, family of hyptheses, family of experiments | ||
- this will allow us to say that if you have identified x ideas, hypotheses, etc - how many discourses do you need to describe? how many graphs are needed to illustrate those discourses - when are people working on the same graph? | * - this will allow us to say that if you have identified x ideas, hypotheses, etc - how many discourses do you need to describe? how many graphs are needed to illustrate those discourses - when are people working on the same graph? | ||
- what does it mean to have different graphs that share some pieces, or different graphs in or close to the same namespace | * - what does it mean to have different graphs that share some pieces, or different graphs in or close to the same namespace | ||
- --> boil down to the naming of the pieces and how you place the connections - ho much context do you need to figure out how many connections there are? | * - --> boil down to the naming of the pieces and how you place the connections - ho much context do you need to figure out how many connections there are? | ||
- KM: taking this as an opportunity to learn SPARQL | * - KM: taking this as an opportunity to learn SPARQL | ||
- we need namespaces before we can qury anything - naming is critical! | * - we need namespaces before we can qury anything - naming is critical! | ||
- KH: also relatively | * - KH: also relatively | ||
- Sj: we should name and make list of queries - queries nee their own names | * - Sj: we should name and make list of queries - queries nee their own names | ||
- KM: agora? | * - KM: agora? | ||
- SJ: group of people interested in wiki linking and editable networks & knowledge federation | * - SJ: group of people interested in wiki linking and editable networks & knowledge federation | ||
- goals: | * - goals: | ||
- make linking always do something sensible - best effort connection between links | * - make linking always do something sensible - best effort connection between links | ||
- agora is a url pattern that will try to resolve it | * - agora is a url pattern that will try to resolve it | ||
- redirect strings to appropriate resources | * - redirect strings to appropriate resources | ||
- each reader gets a filter - only see certain nodes & connection based on sort preferences | * - each reader gets a filter - only see certain nodes & connection based on sort preferences | ||
- KM: sounds like auto-complete for knowledge graphs | * - KM: sounds like auto-complete for knowledge graphs | ||
- each agora has a few default sections - ex will try to generate related out nodes, related agoras you know with the same title or fuzzy match, any text it finds in your own agaora ad-hov | * - each agora has a few default sections - ex will try to generate related out nodes, related agoras you know with the same title or fuzzy match, any text it finds in your own agaora ad-hov | ||
- elevate dgsd by making a section that tries to generate a dg or discourses that mention this node | * - elevate dgsd by making a section that tries to generate a dg or discourses that mention this node | ||
- dg is a shape you compile on the fly - could try to generate a dg x stteps away and show you different families that might be referencingthis | * - dg is a shape you compile on the fly - could try to generate a dg x stteps away and show you different families that might be referencingthis | ||
- spirit of the agora is automatic discovery & openness to engagement | * - spirit of the agora is automatic discovery & openness to engagement | ||
- KH: impression is that it is a collection - how would I learn that someone rlsewants to do something to my node | * - KH: impression is that it is a collection - how would I learn that someone rlsewants to do something to my node | ||
- diff between creating a new link with the same name as your node and creating a link to your specic node | * - diff between creating a new link with the same name as your node and creating a link to your specic node | ||
- KK: diff between agora and what we enision? | * - KK: diff between agora and what we enision? | ||
- sj: no typology of links | * - sj: no typology of links | ||
- graph visualization does not ignore non-typed connections | * - graph visualization does not ignore non-typed connections | ||
- KH: existing descriptions of agora other than the site itself? | * - KH: existing descriptions of agora other than the site itself? | ||
- KK:what actions will we need to take to get where we want to go? | * - KK:what actions will we need to take to get where we want to go? | ||
- how do we turn parts of this wiki into the components of a dg? | * - how do we turn parts of this wiki into the components of a dg? | ||
- KM: we have folks write and annotate in the wiki and use the annotation capabiliies of SMW to call out what the node types are | * - KM: we have folks write and annotate in the wiki and use the annotation capabiliies of SMW to call out what the node types are | ||
- getting the data into the wiki is literally people interacting and annotating | * - getting the data into the wiki is literally people interacting and annotating | ||
- but first we need to figure out naming and schema | * - but first we need to figure out naming and schema | ||
- template objects, other objects, tools that can be used to define the schema | * - template objects, other objects, tools that can be used to define the schema | ||
- KH: prefer many short examples | * - KH: prefer many short examples | ||
- SJ: like the idea of a self-referntial discourse about the state of discourse graphs | * - SJ: like the idea of a self-referntial discourse about the state of discourse graphs | ||
- question: can a discourse be a bout a topic? are discourses about a certtain over-arching hypothesis where you make claims and discover evidence? | * - question: can a discourse be a bout a topic? are discourses about a certtain over-arching hypothesis where you make claims and discover evidence? | ||
- KH: what do you do when your discourse does not fit a Dg? | * - KH: what do you do when your discourse does not fit a Dg? | ||
- (examples from physics with no well-posed question) | * - (examples from physics with no well-posed question) | ||
- (discussion of results graphs and requests for experiments) | * - (discussion of results graphs and requests for experiments) | ||
- need to figure out how DGs work in these differnt fields and circumstances | * - need to figure out how DGs work in these differnt fields and circumstances | ||
- sj: meta: need to identify existing discourse maps, and existing graphs, that could be thought of as d.g.s | * - sj: meta: need to identify existing discourse maps, and existing graphs, that could be thought of as d.g.s | ||
- (proofs, discourse diagrams, text summarization graphs, argument maps, decision maps + flowcharts, ...) | * - (proofs, discourse diagrams, text summarization graphs, argument maps, decision maps + flowcharts, ...) | ||
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- sj: need to capture axioms / assumptions | * - sj: need to capture axioms / assumptions | ||
- kh: making tacit knowledge explicit!! | * - kh: making tacit knowledge explicit!! | ||
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== Section 3 Kyle == | == Section 3 Kyle == | ||