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== Section 2 Konrad ==
== Section 2 Konrad ==
* - KM: take  contributions to this wiki as data to generate a discourse graph?
*KM: [[question]] can we take  contributions to this wiki as data to generate a discourse graph?
* - create schema, show others how to create the different node types
**[[claim]] this means creating a  schema, show others how to create the different node types
* - take db backend, ingest it, execute queries against it
**[[claim]] this means take db backend, ingest it, execute queries against it
* - viz may not be super-sophisticated, but a view or 2 framed on each node type would be worthwhile: eg how does a question related to claims, how are claims informed by different articles (evidence)
**[[claim]] viz may not be super-sophisticated, but a view or 2 framed on each node type would be worthwhile: eg how does a question related to claims, how are claims informed by different articles (evidence)
* - need to populate the wiki with the elements of a discourse graph --> create viz --> share code
*[[claim] ]need to populate the wiki with the elements of a discourse graph --> create viz --> share code
* - SJ: would like to accomplish naming: coming up with names for each of those components, and names for things at differnt scales - discussion, family of hyptheses, family of experiments
* SJ: [[question]]  can we accomplish naming: coming up with names for each of those components, and names for things at different scales - discussion, family of hypotheses, family of experiments
* - this will allow us to say that if you have identified x ideas, hypotheses, etc - how many discourses do you need to describe? how many graphs are needed to illustrate those discourses - when are people working on the same graph?
**[[claim]]this will allow us to say that if you have identified x ideas, hypotheses, etc - how many discourses do you need to describe? how many graphs are needed to illustrate those discourses - when are people working on the same graph?
* - what does it mean to have different graphs that share some pieces, or different graphs in or close to the same namespace
**[[question]] what does it mean to have different graphs that share some pieces, or different graphs in or close to the same namespace
* - --> boil down to the naming of the pieces and how you place the connections - ho much context do you need to figure out how many connections there are?
**[[claim]] these issues  --> boil down to the naming of the pieces and how you place the connections - how much context do you need to figure out how many connections there are?
* - KM: taking this as an opportunity to  learn SPARQL
* - KM: taking this as an opportunity to  learn SPARQL
* - we need namespaces before we can qury anything - naming is critical!
*KM: [[claim]] we need namespaces before we can query anything - naming is critical!
* - KH: also relatively
*SJ: [[claim]] we should name and make list of queries - queries nee their own names
* - Sj: we should name and make list of queries - queries nee their own names
* KM: [[question]] what is  agora?
* - KM: agora?
*SJ: [[claim]] agora is a group of people interested in wiki linking and editable networks & knowledge federation
* - SJ: group of people interested in wiki linking and editable networks & knowledge federation
*[[claim]] agora's goals include:
* - goals:
* - make linking always do something sensible - best effort connection between links
* - make linking always do something sensible - best effort connection between links
* - agora is a url pattern that will try to resolve it
* - agora is a url pattern that will try to resolve it
* - redirect strings to appropriate resources
* - redirect strings to appropriate resources
* - each reader gets a filter - only see certain nodes & connection based on sort preferences  
* - each reader gets a filter - only see certain nodes & connection based on sort preferences  
* - KM: sounds like auto-complete for knowledge graphs
* - KM: [[claim]] sounds like auto-complete for knowledge graphs
* - each agora has a few default sections - ex will try to generate related out nodes, related agoras you know with the same title or fuzzy match, any text it finds in your own agaora ad-hov
* - each agora has a few default sections - ex will try to generate related out nodes, related agoras you know with the same title or fuzzy match, any text it finds in your own agaora ad-hov
* - elevate dgsd by making a section that tries to generate a dg or discourses that mention this node
* - elevate DGs by making a section that tries to generate a dg or discourses that mention this node
* - dg is a shape you compile on the fly - could try to  generate a dg x stteps away and show you different families that might be referencingthis
*[[claim]] dg is a shape you compile on the fly - could try to  generate a dg x steps away and show you different families that might be referencing this
* - spirit of the agora is automatic discovery & openness to engagement
** [[claim]s pirit of the agora is automatic discovery & openness to engagement
* - KH: impression is that it is a collection - how would I learn that someone rlsewants to do something to my node
**KH: [[question]] impression of agora  is that it is a collection - how would I learn that someone else wants to do something to my node?
* - diff between creating a new link with the same name as your node and creating a link to your specic node
*** SJ: [[claim]] diff between creating a new link with the same name as your node and creating a link to your specific node
* - KK: diff between agora and what we enision?
***KK: [[question]] diff between agora and what we envision?
* - sj: no typology of links
* - sj: no typology of links
* - graph visualization does not ignore non-typed connections
* - graph visualization does not ignore non-typed connections
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