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*KM: [[question]] can we take  contributions to this wiki as data to generate a discourse graph?
*KM: [[question]] can we take  contributions to this wiki as data to generate a discourse graph?
**[[claim]] this means creating a schema, show others how to create the different node types
**[[claim]] this means creating a schema, show others how to create the different node types
**[[claim]] this means take db backend, ingest it, execute queries against it
**[[claim]] this means take db backend, ingest it, execute queries against it
**[[claim]] viz may not be super-sophisticated, but a view or 2 framed on each node type would be worthwhile: eg how does a question related to claims, how are claims informed by different articles (evidence)
**[[claim]] viz may not be super-sophisticated, but a view or 2 framed on each node type would be worthwhile: eg how does a question relate to claims, how are claims informed by different articles (evidence)
*[[claim]] need to populate the wiki with the elements of a discourse graph --> create viz --> share code
*[[claim]] need to populate the wiki with the elements of a discourse graph --> create viz --> share code
*SJ: [[question]]  can we accomplish naming: coming up with names for each of those components, and names for things at different scales - discussion, family of hypotheses, family of experiments
*SJ: [[question]]  can we accomplish naming: coming up with names for each of those components, and names for things at different scales - discussion, family of hypotheses, family of experiments
**[[claim]] this will allow us to say that if you have identified x ideas, hypotheses, etc - how many discourses do you need to describe? how many graphs are needed to illustrate those discourses - when are people working on the same graph?
**[[claim]] this will allow us to say that if you have identified x ideas, hypotheses, etc - how many discourses do you need to describe? how many graphs are needed to illustrate those discourses - when are people working on the same graph?
**[[question]] what does it mean to have different graphs that share some pieces, or different graphs in or close to the same namespace
**[[question]] what does it mean to have different graphs that share some pieces, or different graphs in or close to the same namespace
**[[claim]] these issues --> boil down to the naming of the pieces and how you place the connections - how much context do you need to figure out how many connections there are?
**[[claim]] these issues --> boil down to the naming of the pieces and how you place the connections - how much context do you need to figure out how many connections there are?
*KM: taking this as an opportunity to  learn SPARQL
*KM: taking this as an opportunity to  learn SPARQL
*KM: [[claim]] we need namespaces before we can query anything - naming is critical!
*KM: [[claim]] we need namespaces before we can query anything - naming is critical!
*SJ: [[claim]] we should name and make list of queries - queries nee their own names
*SJ: [[claim]] we should name and make list of queries - queries need their own names


=== [[Agora]] ===
=== [[Agora]] ===


*KM: [[question]] what is agora?
*KM: [[question]] what is agora?
*SJ: [[claim]] agora is a group of people interested in wiki linking and editable networks & knowledge federation
*SJ: [[claim]] agora is a group of people interested in wiki linking and editable networks & knowledge federation
**[[claim]] agora's goals include:
**[[claim]] agora's goals include:
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**KM: [[claim]] sounds like auto-complete for knowledge graphs
**KM: [[claim]] sounds like auto-complete for knowledge graphs
**each agora has a few default sections - ex will try to generate related out nodes, related agoras you know with the same title or fuzzy match, any text it finds in your own agora ad-hoc
**each agora has a few default sections - ex will try to generate related out nodes, related agoras you know with the same title or fuzzy match, any text it finds in your own agora ad-hoc
**elevate DGs by making a section that tries to generate a dg or discourses that mention this node
**elevate DGs by making a section that tries to generate a DG or discourses that mention this node
*[[claim]] dg is a shape you compile on the fly - could try to  generate a dg x steps away and show you different families that might be referencing this
*[[claim]] DG is a shape you compile on the fly - could try to  generate a DG x steps away and show you different families that might be referencing this
** [[claim]s pirit of the agora is automatic discovery & openness to engagement
** [[claim] spirit of the agora is automatic discovery & openness to engagement
**KH: [[question]] impression of agora  is that it is a collection - how would I learn that someone else wants to do something to my node?
**KH: [[question]] impression of agora  is that it is a collection - how would I learn that someone else wants to do something to my node?
*** SJ: [[claim]] diff between creating a new link with the same name as your node and creating a link to your specific node
*** SJ: [[claim]] diff between creating a new link with the same name as your node and creating a link to your specific node
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=== Getting started on our own [[Discourse Graph]] ===
=== Getting started on our own [[Discourse Graph]] ===
**KK:what actions will we need to take to get where we want to go?
 
**how do we turn parts of this wiki into the components of a dg?
**KK:what actions will we need to take to get where we want to go?
**KM: we have folks write and annotate in the wiki and use the annotation capabiliies of SMW to call out what the node types are
**how do we turn parts of this wiki into the components of a DG?
**KM: we have folks write and annotate in the wiki and use the annotation capabilities of SMW to call out what the node types are
**getting the data into the wiki is literally people interacting and annotating
**getting the data into the wiki is literally people interacting and annotating
**but first we need to figure out naming and schema
**but first we need to figure out naming and schema
**template objects, other objects, tools that can be used to define the schema
**template objects, other objects, tools that can be used to define the schema
**KH: prefer many short examples
**KH: prefer many short examples
**SJ: like the idea of a self-referntial discourse about the state of discourse graphs
**SJ: like the idea of a self-referential discourse about the state of DGs


=== What exactly makes a graph a [[Discourse Graph]]? ===
=== What exactly makes a graph a [[Discourse Graph]]? ===
**question: can  a discourse be a bout a topic? are discourses about a certtain over-arching hypothesis where you make claims and discover evidence?
 
**KH: what do you do when your discourse does not fit a Dg?
**[[question]]: can  a discourse be about a topic? are discourses about a certain over-arching hypothesis where you make claims and discover evidence?
**examples from physics with no well-posed question)
**KH: what do you do when your discourse does not fit a DG?
**discussion of results graphs and requests for experiments)
***examples from physics with no well-posed question
**need to figure out how DGs work in these differnt fields and circumstances
**discussion of results graphs and requests for experiments
**sj: meta: need to identify existing discourse maps, and existing graphs, that could be thought of as d.g.s
**need to figure out how DGs work in these different fields and circumstances
**proofs, discourse diagrams, text summarization graphs, argument maps, decision maps + flowcharts, ...)
**SJ: meta: need to identify existing discourse maps, and existing graphs, that could be thought of as DGs (proofs, discourse diagrams, text summarization graphs, argument maps, decision maps + flowcharts, ...)
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**sj: need to capture axioms / assumptions
**SJ: need to capture axioms / assumptions
**kh: making tacit knowledge explicit!!
**KH: making tacit knowledge explicit!!
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